Did the Catholic Church invent Islam ?

orthodoxymoron wrote:I'm pretty much in a state of despair. No matter who the "Real Bad Guys" are -- if they are removed -- there are undoubtedly some "Really Bad Guys" waiting to take-over. "Real Nice Guys" might not survive for five-minutes at the "Top of the Pyramid". Traditional-Religions might often be bottomless-pits of corruption and confusion -- but atheism, agnosticism, psychology, philosophy, politics, business, law, entertainment, etc. are simply different bottomless-pits of corruption and confusion. What if no one is genuinely good?? If powerless "Good-Guys" are placed in positions of power -- they might quickly turn into "Bad-Guys". We might be screwed -- no matter what we do (or don't do). We might've gotten our butts kicked in an Ancient Star War -- with the Victors ruling Humanity from the Shadows for Thousands of Years. Who Knows?? How can we REALLY know anything regarding history and how things really work?? I'll "Fight the Good Fight" -- but I'm not expecting "Paradise or Utopia" anytime soon...

enemyofNWO wrote:

orthodoxymoron wrote:I'm pretty much in a state of despair. No matter who the "Real Bad Guys" are -- if they are removed -- there are undoubtedly some "Really Bad Guys" waiting to take-over. "Real Nice Guys" might not survive for five-minutes at the "Top of the Pyramid". Traditional-Religions might often be bottomless-pits of corruption and confusion -- but atheism, agnosticism, psychology, philosophy, politics, business, law, entertainment, etc. are simply different bottomless-pits of corruption and confusion. What if no one is genuinely good?? If powerless "Good-Guys" are placed in positions of power -- they might quickly turn into "Bad-Guys". We might be screwed -- no matter what we do (or don't do). We might've gotten our butts kicked in an Ancient Star War -- with the Victors ruling Humanity from the Shadows for Thousands of Years. Who Knows?? How can we REALLY know anything regarding history and how things really work?? I'll "Fight the Good Fight" -- but I'm not expecting "Paradise or Utopia" anytime soon...

Remember that " Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely " . There are no check and balances to keep in line the ones at the very top . In a previous post your wrote : quote "with approximately 400 years of Biblical-Silence. I've been wondering if the New-Testament is somehow a corrupted version of Suppressed Intertestamental Messianic Writings". I bet that corruption, misinterpretation and false translations are inbuilt in any translated ancient text. How could you otherwise explain that an important rabbi threatened DR Strange about the revelations of the Dead Sea scrolls ( see above videos ) ? The biggest secret kept from the " believers " is the " flying saucers " and alien interventions in human affairs . The Flying saucer became " the holy Spirit " and the Elohim became a singular entity instead of referring to a group of people . Because the church had control of the translations , then who didn't translate in an approved way ( nothing to do with the truth and accuracy ) got the marching orders . The ancient text were used as property not of humanity but of a private group of people that had in mind to enslave the world . The search for total control of the population is still going on .

orthodoxymoron wrote:I tend to agree. As I irreverently suggested before -- what if the Holy-Spirit might be the Queen of Heaven in a Flying-Saucer?? I don't mean to be mean. I'm just trying to make the insane make-sense...

enemyofNWO wrote: Thanks for the parable . I imagine that it is taken from a chapter of the bible not published yet. I hope your writing is proceeding OK . Are you defensive about your religion? Does it upset you, perhaps that ,in a discussion, we revealed facts about the Sacred COW called Christianity ? Please don't take personally discussions in a forum . I can assure you also that I don't carry anyone on my back and I don't have dead weight to expel . I am who I am and I accept it . Do you do anything to screw the system that oppresses us all ? I do , for dozens of years we have had the secret services of Europe and Australia on our back ..... they have spent millions of dollars , performed incredible number of operations and Psy -ops with no result . So we have something to be proud off . If only there were more people like us who work to screw the system and try to open the eyes of the ones that keep theirs wide shut , the system would collapse sooner .....

Please don't be upset , we ,not always , read pleasant material . Unfortunately the world is not a pleasant place , it is a mine field ! who am I ? I am one of millions that realized that the catholic religion is a fraud , after over 60 years since I woke up about it I am still discovering despicable acts perpetrated by that criminal organization . I live in catholic country where the malefic presence of catholicism is omnipresent so i might be rabid when dealing with the subject . I see also the pervasive influence of this cancerous religion on the politics and the society . There seem to be no end to the criminality of the church . They have the brass face to send missionary to regions of the third world to try to convert who doesn't need to be . I don't think that the discussions with Otho are futile ,this subject is very interesting and I think there is some chance that some of the discussion might influence, in a positive way, some readers with an open mind . Ortho ,as the rest of us , is on a personal journey and every person has his/her own interpretation of what is searching and what is looking for . Did you like the videos linked in post No 2 and 3 ? They are eyes opener don't you agree ? Be well !

orthodoxymoron wrote:In "The Exercise of Vital Powers" from the 4th season of Babylon 5 (which is depicted as being in the year 2261 A.D.) -- the statement was made that "Russia came to power in 1917 and 2013". Mind you -- this episode was made in 1997. The Pope resigned in 2013 -- and a Jesuit became the new Pope. In "The Keys of This Blood" Malachi Martin writes about a three-way battle for control of the New World Order -- between Russia, the Vatican, and the United States. The book was published in 1990. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Keys_of_This_Blood What if Russia had a lot to do with the changing of the guard in Rome?? Supposedly -- the US and Russia might be headed for some sort of conflict. That same episode of Babylon 5 speaks of the French coming to power in 2112 A.D. I have a rare book titled The End of the World, A.D. 2133. Pope Benedict seemed a bit bitter when he spoke of "God Sleeping". I have irreverently joked that "God was just tired of all the bullshit!" All of this might not be significant -- but I find it somewhat interesting.

B.B.Baghor wrote:Ortho's words:

"So far, I don't seem to be worth the trouble. But I am learning more and more to NOT care if no one cares. It's easier that way. Also, it seems as if a karmic-burden has been lifted from me, because if no one pays much attention to my sincere efforts to discuss the most important topics imaginable, then I'm really NOT dropping the ball if I don't continue to post openly and honestly on the internet. If it doesn't work -- it simply won't work if I keep repeating this exercise in futility over and over and over again".

I wish for you to lift a karmic burden from your shoulders, ortho. You're finding your own wisdom, in a way. Don't take it for granted, but I think I see you clearly, though you don't yourself. I don't imagine you to understand what I'm saying now, but you've shown to my mind's eye and those of my heart, that you've got your crystal clear intention, holding it without damage done to it. That's where the light comes from, waiting to enter a crack in the egg, or to hatch it, with (until now) a phoenix jumping out, growing to full size and after a while, quickly dematerializing into ashes.

It seems that you yourself cannot enter that space with the light of your intention. It seems something is being pushed hard, under pressure too. Who knows you may find that your path shows new tracks, filled with ease of taking steps without efforts, letting go of an obstacle only known to yourself. A threshold of your own making? That's what looks to me, to be the cause of your jumping up and down, crawling through many rabbit holes and what-not-of-sorts-of-holes crawling out of them too, with dirt on your shoulders and disappointment.

It seems to me, that many who read your threads, each in his/her own way, have grasped your intention or quest and ways of expression, ortho. I've found evidence of it in their responses to your posts. The problem is, that this grasping (of your intention), almost cannot be expressed in words, for it seems to happen mainly on a soul-level, world-less and speech-less. Do you perceive this level of communication sometimes?

The fact that you don't receive the response you expect and need, isn't so much for feelings of animosity towards you and your threads, but for it being hard to communicate. I need to focus on my experience, for simplicity. If my responses are greeted with more "what if's?" in a sort of "talking to yourself" manner, no offense, I don't enter a communication with you. There's no exchange of vision in our now, of perceptions.

But I stop now, I'm repeating myself and that's not helping to clarify things. I have to remind myself of the fact, that so far, there seems to be a veil or obstacle of some sort, between my communication here and yours. It seems to me, that there's a long repetition in this, that what you receive isn't what you ask for and what you don't receive is what you ask for, in desperation almost. How can you make yourself understood? I'm asking now. Maybe you should begin to understand yourself better, not in your intention but in the way you try to express what's in it.

And what's in it for you and others who read your threads. Get out of the way of your true expression, you've created a most complicated structure, a body of study that in itself doesn't bring you the answers you seek. I don't mean to tell you what to do, I'm trying in my way, to give feedback and some pointers. For which I'm not sure if that's wise. In my experience of your threads, your presence in them, ortho, I'm sure you will find that crack in the egg or that threshold, some day. I've mentioned before, that probably this will be a surprise to you, in tears and laughter both. For as I perceive it, there's great humor in what you try to achieve, in what you show as a mirror, with images of how it is to be human in so many different ways. The ability to transcend the personal story, prevents dependency and neediness, as I see it. These are NOT instructions, to be clear. For one's personal story is one's own business to deal with.

To me, showing that mirror is the essence of your presence in your threads, ortho. Nobody can make you see this, although I try in a way. I know this probably won't make you feel very happy. I'm not saying this while floating in a world detached from yours, mind you. How many paths do we need to walk, to find

orthodoxymoron wrote:Thank-you B.B. I've appreciated your participation on this website. Since 2008 (when I started participating on the Original Project Avalon) you have interacted with me more than anyone else. Thank-you for that. There have been several Individuals of Interest (in real-life) who have extensively interacted with me, as well -- and I appreciated that (even if I didn't agree with them). There is another individual (who I won't talk about) who I have probably conversed with more than anyone else -- and I deeply respect their perspective. Having said all of that -- there is a level of conversation and conceptualization which I desired -- but which never occurred -- and probably never will occur. I saw too many problems -- with too few solutions -- and I'll simply have to live with that for the rest of my life (and possibly beyond). I suspect an Ancient Attempt to Make Things Better -- Which Backfired BIG-TIME. I don't have insider-information to that effect -- but it's what I see circumstantial-evidence for. I further suspect that Things Will Revert to the Way They Were Prior to the Hypothetical Attempt to Make Things Better. Status Quo Ante Bellum. Then Shall the Sanctuary Be Restored to It's Rightful State?? I think we need to Exhaustively Consider the Relationship Between Freedom and Responsibility. We also need to Exhaustively Consider the Relationship Between Universe-Governance and Local Solar-System Governance.

Dr. Robert H. Schuller had a VERY Interesting Ministry -- which I don't think was as simplistic and bombastic as most people think. It was simultaneously right and wrong -- expert and clumsy. I considered it to be reformative rather than normative. The sad thing is that No Matter How Anyone Tries to Put Things Together -- It's Always Going to be Wrong. There's Always a Supposedly Better Way to Do Things. My United States of the Solar System Threads Were Reformative Rather Than Normative. They Were Intended to Make Everyone (Including Me) THINK. Unfortunately -- I see no evidence that this fracking-happened. It Seems As If BOTH the Powers That Be AND We the Peons were (and are) dead-set against me. Someone needs to try the following study-plan in the following order:

1. Sampling All-Aspects of the Info-War for a Couple of Years (Or So).
2. Studying Project Avalon, Project Camelot, and The Mists of Avalon for a Couple of Years (Or So).
3. Studying The United States of the Solar System Threads on The Mists of Avalon for a Couple of Years (Or So).
4. Studying the Ministries of Norman Vincent Peale and Robert Harold Schuller for a Couple of Years (Or So).
5. Formulating Your Own Solutions Based Upon All of the Above for a Couple of Years (Or So).
6. Implementing Your Solutions for the Rest of Your Life.

I realize this is a hard-sell -- so I doubt that anyone will do it -- and even if they did, it's likely that very few would listen. It seems as if people simply must learn things the hard-way. Unfortunately -- it seems as if we might be running out of time. Perhaps this thing was doomed to failure -- right from the very beginning. I still don't know what my soul-loyalties really are. I honestly don't. It seems to me that no matter what I attempt -- it's wrong -- and that my life was doomed to failure before I was even conceived. I continue to sense some sort of a sinister set-up. I wish to think and do the "Right-Thing" -- but according to who?? I guess I simultaneously seek Less-Freedom and More-Freedom. Is Anarchy Really Freedom?? Is Mob-Rule Really Freedom?? Is Direct-Democracy Really Freedom?? Is Torah-Monotheism Really Freedom?? Is Pauline-Liberty Really Freedom?? Are the Red-Letter Teachings of Jesus Really Freedom?? Is ANY Historical-Religion Really Freedom?? Is the United States of America Really Freedom?? Is the Roman Catholic Church Really Freedom?? Is the British Empire Really Freedom?? Is the United Nations Really Freedom?? Is the Moon Modus-Operandi Really Freedom?? Is the Martian Modus-Operandi Really Freedom?? Is the Universal Church Really Freedom?? Would an Investigative and Executive Judgment Really Cleanse the Sanctuary of That Which Defiles?? If One Walks and Talks Fast-Enough -- Can They Become a God or Goddess?? You Shall Be As Gods?? Good-Luck!!

TRANCOSO wrote:

orthodoxymoron wrote:I wonder what it might be like to be present in a roomful of the most famous and important people (and (even) other-than-people) in the solar system -- listening to them discuss "life, the universe, and everything" in a completely open and honest manner (with no recording-equipment -- no spies -- and no minutes)??!! We might be very, very surprised.

No, Ortho, WITH recording AND FILMING equipment!

So the whole wide world will once and for all be cured from the idea that:
1. We are alone in the universe
2. Aliens are really that stupid that they would ever trust the present human society
3. Religion is anything else but (intellectual) slavery
4. Above is not like below or deep down, but quite the same

As a LORD of the Galactic Federation of Lies I have visited room(s)full of famous and important 'other-than-people' meetings and let me tell you, the only reason most of them envy Earthly humans is because of their free spirit and the way they enjoy sex - which is btw the nr 1 reason why humans are abducted.

With all their techno none of those 'other-than-people' are able to capture the essence of free will, which is of course no wonder because they haven't got a clue what they're looking for - it's beyond their imagination. Much like their way of 'thinking' is beyond our imagination. Remember: Nothing Unreal Exists!

Dearly appreciated fellow MoA member Ortho, existence is a power game on any imaginable level and Earthlings - and I really blow a whistle now, so keep this between us - are nothing more than 'lab-rats-with-an-attitude' - which is the sole reason they're not extinct... yet.

B.B.Baghor wrote:Trancoso's words: "Dearly appreciated fellow MoA member Ortho, existence is a power game on any imaginable level and Earthlings and I really blow a whistle now, so keep this between us - are nothing more than 'lab-rats-with-an-attitude' - which is the sole reason they're not extinct... yet".

I like your sense of humor and knowledge, Trancoso, althouth it's true that many powergames are played out on the playground of life, for that to be in existence, there must be an opponent, triggering that game. And that opponent is love, as I see it. For isn't it so that all players in the games of power are horribly hurt, with minds that have grown crooked and twisted, in attempts to cover up that hurting? Why fight for power, when it's missing inside to sustain ourselves? That lab-ratrace or pirate's ship sinking with rats in a panic, is just a display of the dark side of life, due to the presence of light. Our free will is allowing human beings to find out how existence can be experienced and in what ways. By going through that, I think we find out what love is in essence. By learning about suffering and how to begin to love the existence of suffering as part of the game on this planet too, with our own yes to it, for we have come, haven't we? I'm convinced that my reality is only showing up according to my attitude and intention, the glasses I choose to look through, connected to my belief system. No google glasses for me to try though I'm an inconquerable optimist and an embassador for the spark of life in all living beings. The so called enemy uses its spark to make you conscious of yours and that's a view coming from the space between right and wrong, light and dark. In that sense of equality of expressions of life, your view is equally valuable to mine and when we choose that point of view, this forum will remain a safe place to show up and tell our truth.

"This is Just a Bit Ridiculous!! I Do All the Work -- and He Gets All the Glory!!"